Sunday, May 16, 2010

Glacier National Park in late June ?

Never been there. I don't want to get swamped with tourists. Interested in hiking. Are there actual snow glaciers, or has everything thawed?





Would you go to Glacier, or venture further north to Alberta?





Thank you!





P.S.





Any extra SPECIFIC details on lodges, inns would be appreciated. Yes -- I'm not camping (shame on me!)

Glacier National Park in late June ?
Lots of nice lodges North of Saint Mary. Yes they have real glaciers bring the bear spray and tie a bell on your pack.
Reply:No, not everything has thawed. It's just not the same as it used to be. If you watched the movie "an inconvinient truth" by al gore, you'll see how the glaciers from different places have change, and it's all because of us. You can watch the film, if you hadn't watch it, and you'll see how the Earth is changing.


You can make a big diiference so that when you go to the glacier, it wouldn't be all thawed...

kung fu

What's going on with the Earth?

What's happening with this global warming. I live in New York where normal temperatures this time of year is below freezing and it's snowing like crazy and this Sunday the temperature was at 75 degrees fahrenheit. It usually snows at least by November and so far we've seen no snow and it seems like it's going to stay that way. Are the seasons going to change?? Will it be snowing in June and warm in December?? What effect does this have on people?? Will the ice at the poles freeze and flood the continents?? I've heard so far that 2007 is estimated to be the warmest year yet. What do you have to say about global warming?

What's going on with the Earth?
Its debatable whether humans are influencing global warming. Every 11,500 years, the earth goes through a major extinction with a global warming and cooling phase (ice age.) Paleontologists are able to track this through soil samples. We may actually be headed into an ice age because we are coming to the tail end of the current cycle. The problem is that the media and politicians get focussed on a piece of the puzzle and try to simplify this issue. Don't be fooled. There is probably nothing humans can do. Even if we could, there is no way you can control China who is becoming a major world polluter. Humans will need to adapt to climate change. Where I live there are small changes in our weather pattern, but nothing major. A lot of the media is hype to sell newspapers. The only caution is that some past climate changes have been more radical, swinging wildly from hot to cold. Others have brought on instant and severe cold conditions. I know the area that I live used to be buried in hundreds on feet of ice, but temperatures are mild today... Humans will just need to wait and see what mother nature brings and adapt as necessary.
Reply:Scientists do not all agree about the nature and impact of global warming. A few observers still question whether temperatures have actually been rising at all. Others acknowledge past change but argue that it is much too early to be making predictions for the future. Such critics may also deny that the evidence for the human contribution to warming is conclusive, arguing that a purely natural cycle may be driving temperatures upward. The same dissenters tend to emphasize the fact that continued warming could have benefits in some regions.





Scientists who question the global warming trend point to three puzzling differences between the predictions of the global warming models and the actual behavior of the climate. First, the warming trend stopped for three decades in the middle of the 20th century; there was even some cooling before the climb resumed in the 1970s. Second, the total amount of warming during the 20th century was only about half what computer models predicted. Third, the troposphere, the lower region of the atmosphere, did not warm as fast as the models forecast. However, global warming proponents believe that two of the three discrepancies have now been explained.





The lack of warming at midcentury is now attributed largely to air pollution that spews particulate matter, especially sulfates, into the upper atmosphere. These particulates, also known as aerosols, reflect some incoming sunlight out into space. Continued warming has now overcome this effect, in part because pollution control efforts have made the air cleaner.





The unexpectedly small amount of total warming since 1900 is now attributed to the oceans absorbing vast amounts of the extra heat. Scientists long suspected that this was happening but lacked the data to prove it. In 2000 the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) offered a new analysis of water temperature readings made by observers around the world over 50 years. Records showed a distinct warming trend: World ocean temperatures in 1998 were higher than the 50-year average by 0.2 Celsius degree (0.3 Fahrenheit degree), a small but very significant amount.





The third discrepancy is the most puzzling. Satellites detect less warming in the troposphere than the computer models of global climate predict. According to some critics, the atmospheric readings are right, and the higher temperatures recorded at Earth’s surface are not to be trusted. In January 2000 a panel appointed by the National Academy of Sciences to weigh this argument reaffirmed that surface warming could not be doubted. However, the lower-than-predicted troposphere measurements have not been entirely explained.
Reply:In this particular case, it's just a quirk. Don't forget, while you're basking in all that warmth, the midwest is getting hammered by record blizzards.





Global warming is too vast an effect to be verified by temperature variations in New York alone. Indicators for Global Warming are:





1. Average temperature of the Earth


2. Duration of El Nino, the big heat battery in the Pacific Ocean


3. The amount of Arctic Ice vs. open water.


4. Thickness of the Greenland Ice Sheet


5. Thickness of the Antarctic Ice Sheets and dense packed snow.





....and many others. Compared to those measurements, variations of temperature in a tiny little place like NYC are insignificant. So is a week-long cold spell in Siberia that freezes a dozen people, contrary to Rush Limbaugh's claim that this proves Global Warming is not happening. He used what is known as "junk science" to reach that conclusion.





Big Al Mintaka
Reply:To begin with, NY occasionally has late winters. Trust me , it's on its way. The pole cannot freeze and still flood the continents. Actually the north pole is thawing. It will not raise the sea levels because ice displaces the same amount of water. Greenland is the greenhouse terror. 1800ft of ice thawing faster than it falls, putting fresh water into an undersea canyon that is rapidly filling up. It is of concern that the fresh water will act as a wall and stop the North Atlantic circulation. Which means western Europe and the north Atlantic will get very cold while the equatorial waters will get real hot. Then all kinds of nasty things begin to happen.
Reply:I addition to the very well made staements about global warming is the fact that methane from the seas cannot be accounted for as far as effect on the climate even though methane is theoretically a far better greenhouse gas than the vilified CO2. And that the computer models actually predict a massive increase in antarctic ice build up before that cap actually melts.





The reason for the ice build up would be increased snowfall as a result of more free water available. However, the ice layer is thinning which is more likely to be the result of some other unexplained shift. The discrepency does point to a severe problem with the models though, making any conclusions based on those models unrelaible at best and pure fantasy at worst.





The second poster mentions a concept called global dimming which is currently being studied by a large group of scientists from Duke University. They have a well founded concern that too much sunlight is still being reflected away from the earth and that massive cooling could soon result.





That biggest issue though is temperature records. Accurate records have only been kept a few years and are not even now universal on land and barely scratch the surface of the ocean temperatures. While we can readily get the gist of broad sweeps of climate change over thousands of years, our 50 years of limited in scope but reliable record keeping is wholly inadaquite to make judgments on. On a system as large as the earth with as much momentum in the form of stored energy, fifty years is a tiny flicker of time. Determining that we have caused a catastrophe and drastically altering our entire civilization to stop something we do not know is even occuring seems a rather large waste of time.





I am not saying that the climate isn't changing, it is in a perpetual state of change. I am not saying that we should be polluting our home either. It's horrible some of the things we have done. I am saying that we do not know if the climate fluctuation we have seen is caused by man or is even more than a slight statistical fluctuation. We simply do not have the data to know that.





The global warming crowd is advocating major, expensive changes in our civilization. It will pull money out of circulation and if global warming is real it might be well spent. However, if it is not real that money will come from each and every person on this planet eventually in the form of higher food prices and lower wages in relation to what we have today. While that will not hurt most people, it will push millions from barely surviving into starvation. If global warming is not real, is that something you want to be responsible for? All I am telling you is that we have to get the politics and the sensationalist media out of it, put people who will work honestly towards answers using real science on the question. I want honest answers, not political crap and that's all we are getting today.


Places worth for visiting during winter season (June) in Melbourne, Sydney & Gold Cost?

It is plan for incentive tour. We have the following places in mind, but since never been in Australia before, we do not have any idea whether the places are suitable.





Sydney City Tour ( Chinatown, Elite Complex of Sydney Duckly Page, etc)


Sydney Opera House


Sydney Harbour Cruise (include Buffet meal in the cruise)


Sydney Wildlife World


Port Stephens Dolphin Watch Cruise


Blue Mountain National Park


Bondi Beach


Visit of Victoria Building Shopping Mall


Dinner at Sydney Tower


* Featherdake Wildlife


* Casino





Brisbane City Tour


Warner Bross Movie World, Dream World, Sea World


Sunshine Coast


Visit of Pacific Fair Shopping Centre


Hard Rock Cafe Dinner


* Paradise Country (include BBQ Buffet meal)


* Casino





Melbourne City Tour


Phillip Island Penguin Nature Park


Mt. Buller (Snow Mountain)


Great Ocean Road


Visit of Queen Victoria Market, Bourke Street Mall, Paddy Market


* Warrock Cattle Farm


* Crown Casino Complex





Mark with *, means to choose either one best

Places worth for visiting during winter season (June) in Melbourne, Sydney %26amp; Gold Cost?
Well I live here, and really I would do Sydney opera house for sure.I would also do HARBOUR CRUISE


I would also do the Featherdale Wildlife(I live close to it) and its good.


I would see Queen Victoria Building.


Bondi Beach and also Coogee beach.


AND A MUST go eat at Doyles at Watsons bay in Sydney!!!


Its expensive...so save extra...and a final one for Sydney Blue Mountains is a must.Go see the 3 sisters at Katoomba.


wonderful! and...for fun take the coal train down into the valley!!!


It wonderful...really.....we just love it.


Any others in Sydney just scrap that you wrote down...they are mainly time wasters...But! go to the Rocks, and have a lunch just near the Opera house, but other side ..Just ask people...It can be walked anyway....See Ken Done art gallery! a must.


As far as other places...I can only talk about Sydney..sorry
Reply:You will absolutely love Pacific Fair shopping centre in southport on the Gold Coast. You also have to check out Harbour Town, which is on the Gold Coast Highway, between Pacific Fair and Dreamworld. There is also a little shop in the main street of the gold coast called Vampires. It's a little quirky, but worth checking out, as well as Rippley's... believe it or not. The Crawn Casino in Melbourne (where I live) is pretty exciting. It's right in the heart of the City, walking distance to melbourne's ccentral business District. So if you can escape the tour for a bit, explore Eastbank and the great restaurants, cafe's and shops along the way. The Victoria Market is great to find a bargain, so don't forget to take your wallet with you :-p I'd try and ditch the cattle farm.... Cows... cow dung... smelly farm... enough said. And the Phillip Island penguins... oh so cute. It's usually at dusk when the tourist arrive for the penguins. It's a nice drive through the city traffic lol. It's a shame though that you miss out on seeing the rest of Gippsland, places like Wonthaggi are such nice little towns to visit. but anyway, you already sound like you are going to see so much. I hope you have the time of your life.
Reply:I live in Melbourne, so here are my tips;





Melbourne City Tour


Phillip Island Penguin Nature Park - A must, but in winter it will be bitterly cold, so wear lots of warm clothes - preferably in layers (eg a coat over a jumper over a t shirt over a singlet, etc)


Mt. Buller (Snow Mountain) - Pray for snow


Great Ocean Road - Beautiful any time of year


Visit of Queen Victoria Market, Bourke Street Mall, Paddy Market - A must


* Warrock Cattle Farm - Never heard of it - so do it!


* Crown Casino Complex - you don't need to go on a tour to visit Crown, it's free to look around.





I'm sure you will have lots of fun, no matter what you do!





Cheers,





Libby
Reply:I live in Melbourne and the places you listed there are fine - except for Paddy's Market which is in Sydney.





Never heard of Warrock Cattle Farm but it doesn't sound very exciting. Melbourne can get cold in winter so go to the casino, it's the biggest and most exciting in Australia (if you like that sort of thing).





Keep the outdoor visits for Brisbane and, to a lesser extent, Sydney (which can also get cold in winter).





Perhaps you can tell us which country you're coming from and what ages/sex the group are so we can help you some more.

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Here in Oregon, 3 mountain climbers died on Mt. Hood. Has anyone on this site ever had to survive in a snow?

cave while climbing? I climbed Mt. Hood once, but it was in June.

Here in Oregon, 3 mountain climbers died on Mt. Hood. Has anyone on this site ever had to survive in a snow?
I've been stuck in the snow on mountains a few times but as this was a possibility from the outset we were prepared with the necessary food and equipment.





We once had to sit out a snow storm for 3 days in a snow hole that we'd dug. Apart from making the snow hole bigger there wasn't anything else to do. When we eventually left we'd dug a virtual hotel into the snow with several rooms and tunnels connecting them.





On another occasion we spent 27 days in a remote cabin although we weren't exactly stuck or fending for survival. The nearest village was only 20 miles away and we could have walked there in a day. The problem was that the car was stuck on a forest road 15 miles off the main road and we had to wait for the snow to melt enough so we could get the car out - at it's peak the snow covered the track by about 12 feet.





We've been storm bound several times but a basic snow hole only takes a matter of minutes to dig and as we've had enough food and fuel to see us through it's never been a survival situation as such.





Sorry I couldn't give you anything more exciting.
Reply:I have never been mountain climbing but I did get caught in a snowstorm once while traveling on the interstate. It was dreadful. It took about 7 hours to drive from Nashville to Louisville, Kentucky. I passed a half dozen truckers going the opposite direction...other than that....nada. And yes, I did pull over at every exit with a possibility of lodging. The only empty room was in Louisville so it was drive or sleep in a truck stop. I wish I'd opted for the truck stop. One of the worst nights of my life.
Reply:30. years ago.3. did sadley to say the .3. that was missing are dead. the one found was dead and search was given up on the other.2. climers. ??


Is it possible for winter to never end?

What happend to the global warning bananza that people have been freaking out about for years now? It's more like an ice age if you ask me. It's June 6th and we are under a snow advisory for this weekend where I live...is this normal...NO! Atleast I don't think it is....

Is it possible for winter to never end?
Depends on where you live. Where do you live? Snow in June that's awesome! As for the ice age, everyone believes that if its really hot or unseasonable cool that its from global warming, it will take a while for global warming effects to take place. Your fine. I'd rather be experiencing snow than running from a tornado. It's normal to think that its global warming but it isn't. If you live in the Northwest or far northeast (Maine) its very normal for things like this to happen, most of the cool air you experience is coming from Canada.
Reply:Trust me hun, I know where your coming from! I live in South Dakota and sometimes it can be winter all year round and the next year the lowest temperature is 87F.... it's rough but eventually the weather will change and it'll pry be really hot and you'll wish there was snow... haha.... well i hope everything goes OK and it warms up soon!


Lindsey
Reply:Yes it is possible and like you said its called an ice age. I lived in CO for 14 years and it has snowed there late june and even into july before. I am now in AK and its still only 50 degreese here. Snow on our "mountains" that are on.ly like 3,000 feet high.
Reply:No. Global warming is a fad....
Reply:umm where do you live? in NYC its like 90 degrees...


Can anyone suggest a great honeymoon get away where we could get a cabin in a snowy place in june.--in US?

i know snow--but we live in texas so we want snow!!!thanks

Can anyone suggest a great honeymoon get away where we could get a cabin in a snowy place in june.--in US?
We also wanted cool weather but we werent looking for snow. Try Red River, New Mexico. There's a lot that you can do there for cheap or free and just enjoy the scenery, but there's a lot to do otherwise too. It's close to Cloudcroft, and you could drive there one day, or Eagle's Nest, which I hear has a wonderful facy restraurant. I'm not sure where to tell you to stay if you want to stay in a cabin, but there's a website you can visit that has every lodging place in town. We thought about staying at a B%26amp;B Called Yellow Rose Bed %26amp; Breakfast. They only have one room that has a private bath, but it's very pretty and nice. They even have Summer Romance Special. Hope this helps. As far as the snow, I've personally been there 5 times in July and each time we found snow when we hiked the mountains. It's not usually on the ground, but then again, you're not paying the price to take a really expensive trip to Alaska either.
Reply:I don't think that you are going to find snow in u.s. in june, Go on a nice get away after wedding and go to the snow in the winter.
Reply:Well...i think your a little late for snow...i live in


colorado...been to the mountains twice this mth


a place called Lake Dillon out I-70 and also


Keystone...Keystone got a dusting of snow...I'am talking 10,000 ft above sea level...


Sooo...I would recommend you try Wyoming...


Maybe the Grand Teton area...Congrats ...Natives are restless
Reply:Alaska is beautiful in June... And even Glacier National Park in Montana, they have Log Cabins and even wild bears and mountains that no man has stepped foot on JUST beautiful... Have fun
Reply:alaska?
Reply:You should probably consider getting married later in the year. Seriously. I've lived in the areas that people are recommending--Wyoming, Montana--and there isn't any snow in June.
Reply:There might be some snow left in the Tetons, try Jackson, WY. I live in Riverton and can see some snow left on the mountain tops. There isn't much though. Maybe further north in Montana there might be some. Also, Park City Utah might still have some snow, call around now and see who has it now and then you'll have an idea for next year. good Luck.
Reply:Try your local travel agency --- they should be able to help you locate a place.
Reply:Only in Alaska, or the very tip-top of the mountain ranges.
Reply:snow in summer.. It'd have to be top of mountains, What about Montana, that is furthest fromt he equator and has mountains
Reply:Plenty of places still have some snow in June. In fact, there's plenty on Mt. St Helens and Mt Hood right now in the Portland, OR area. The higher the elevation, the more likely the chance of snow. I agree with the asking a travel agent, or put off your 'snow trip' until later in the year.
Reply:talk to your travel agent
Reply:at one time, I lived in cloudcroft, nm. in june. yes there was snow. I am not sure if it is the same every year . i also live in tx. it was enough snow to scare me from driving much. there are lots of b and b's. check with chamber of commerce there!
Reply:go to bear valley
Reply:The best you can hope for in June in Montana is to see the snow on the mountain tops.





To be IN the snow, you'd have to have a cabin hanging sideways on the snowy slopes of the peaks.





Postpone your honeymoon until November, then you'll have a large pick of choices.


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